The Upward Spiral

[ Member A ] I chatted with this guy over the net. He said he is a devotee of Ammachi. He confessed to me he sleeps around but still likes Amman a lot

[Me] what does he mean he sleeps around?

[ Member A ] free sex with men. What do you think of this...being so pious & sleeping around. It wrong to sleep around? He said its ok but our devotion to Amman must be pure.

[Me ] From shakta perspective there is nothing wrong with sex. It is sacred. From what I understand, there are different stages in devotion. You started off as a child. A devotion of a child to a mother is the most simplest and natural form of devotion because all of us are able to relate to, but the highest form of devotion to devi as is as a lover because only when you have reach the stage of a lover, you are able to merge. When you are in love, you merge to become one. Perhaps that is why Sri Swami Sivananda called the last one : Madhurya Bhava as the "highest form of Bhakti". That is what our sadhana is all about. To merge with Devi and becoming one with her. Some see is as a sexual. A lot of people get trap in the sex aspect and they let lust control them.

[ Member A] How to overcome this lust?

Good question eh! Anybody have any answer for this young man.

sankara menon
A simple question demands a simple answer not sermons.

The answer IMHO is simple do not worry it will go if it is meant to. It is the same in meditation, attempting hard to conrol the mind results in its slipping away time and again. If you just let go of the mind while meditating without attempting to "Control" then slowly the wanderings of the mind cease and it becomes still. Let all thoughts come in, then watch what they say. Slowly the incoming of thoughts will cease and one will have REAL meditation.

Similarly do not try to "destroy" lust; it will be reborn a million times like rakta bIja of the devi mahathmya. Let it have its full play and soon the mind will tire of it and it will let go. Then the feeling would have self destructed to the extent necessary for the particular individual).

Dear Kochu:
This is really excellent advice, thank you. I would only add to it the concept of the upward spiral in our attempts to escape our various samskaras.

It is simply this: Personal transformation of the sort undertaken in sadhana is *not* (as you rightly suggest) a linear process, but more like an upward spiral. Breakthroughs are often followed by a "backlash" or relapse into the kind of behavioral patterns or grooves you're trying to overcome. Whenever you make a leap forward, there's always a period of recalibration and re-entrenchment; that's just the way the body and mind work.

When that happens, you may feel like you've simply gone in a big circle and landed back where you started. But in fact, it's more like the circular configuration of a spring: Yes, you're technically back at the same point on the circle -- but in fact, you're now one level higher up. So you *are* moving forward, after all -- it's just harder to perceive because the motion is not in a straight line.

In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna famously tells Arjuna, "On this path, effort never goes to waste, and there is no failure. Even a little effort toward spiritual awareness will protect you from the greatest fear" (2:40).

I suspect that is at least partially because the effects of every sincere effort you make are exponential in reach. So if you're trying to get past, say, lust (as in this thread), your efforts do not address merely lust, but countless related behavioral patterns as well. Thus in the upward spiral you are not just chipping away at a single "shortcoming"; you are simultaneously moving forward on a thousand other fronts.

The movement is so subtle and incremental that you do not notice it from day to day. But at a certain point (as when you climb a spiral path up a big mountain and suddenly emerge from the trees into a clearing), you pause and look at the sprawling vista below, and you're shocked to realize just how far you have come.

This perfectly echoes my thoughts about how the spiritual development takes place in a human.

We just need to do our time in this world . We will see plenty of situations that we feel are "old wine in a new bottle", wheras really what has happened is that the situation is "a slightly different wine in a new bottle".

When one is not able to perceive the change or gets frustrated, that may tie with the impatience in a sadhak to be a "jivanmukta". When that happens, the sadhak does not realize that Jivanmukta is not a state to "get to"; it's a state to "be in".

Till then, the "upward spiral" has us in its bind (does this remind anyone of Maya?).

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