Sri Aurobino : A discussion [ March 2004 ]

kesava prasaad

I was reading "Beyond psychology" by Rajaneesh, In that book he refers to Sri Aurobindo,and say Aurobindo was working on the methods which help people to achieve physical Immortality. I have read some of his work,and have a great respect for him so I can't agree with Osho. Here is a link about that and regarding Aurobindo, He had a unique style of riting poetry, I feel that many of our "modern mystics" are imitating is style.But few acknowledge this and most of them avoid talking about him, ts like P.D Ouspensky avoiding any reference to Gurdjieff !? arlier I thought Sri Aurobindo created integral Yoga. but a search on the nternet reveal that there are many masters teaching Integral yoga,and there is o reference to Sri Auro, one of these master has named his ashram as ogaville!,(remember Auroville). If we go by the words of Osho, many of his disciples are disappointed when he ied, because they were waiting for the revelation of the methods of mmortality. Could it be the reason why we dont find any disciples of Sri urobindo publicising his Yoga or dominating the spiritual scene? I don't think so, what do you think? I think His "Savitri" is a good inspiration to shaki sadhakas. I hope you will be able to throw more light about it.

childofdevi

According to Sri Siva(www.srisiva.com), Aurobindo had indeed found out the method of immortality and could make himself immortal if he wanted to(the technique is called the light body meditation) but he was not able to transmit this teaching to somebody else; hence he chose to be reborn to be able to transmit it to mankind.

The "Integral Yoga" of Sacchidananda Saraswati is very a practical- oriented teaching and somewhat different from Aurobindo's teachings by the same name; I feel Aurobindo is too theoretical- maybe this is the reason for his being not too popular. His Savitri is of course superb to say the least.

Anil

Childofdevi wrote :I feel Aurobindo is too theoretical- maybe this is the reason for his being not too popular.

I do not understand on what basis you have concluded that his teachings were theoretical and thus were not popular. Sri Aurobinod Yoga embraces all the salient features of ancient methods and their essences. He himself has said his method is not new, but philosophy in its kind. His yoga and teachings are very practical. His philosophy includes the teachings of Gita. How can one say his yoga is theoretical? Sri Aurobindo and Mother have dedicated their life experimenting on Integral Yoga till their last day of Mahasamadhi. Before promoting their concept Sri Aurobindo and Mother have tired Intergral Yoga on themselves for transformation. He voluntarily left his mortal coil to work form astral plane for the upliftment of earth from false hood and ignorance. All his spiritual writings were based on his own experience and his cognizance. One such is magnum opus is Savitri. Indeed it is a recommended book for all Shakthi upasakas. If one can comprehend and meditate of Savitri his life transforms into Divine Life. Let us pray Mother to shower her grace on us for transformation to lead a divine life. Further thoughts on Sri Aurobidno are appreciated.

Omprem

You said, "one of these master has named his ashram as Yogaville!,(remember Auroville)." The Swami who started the Yogaville Ashram and created an approach to Yoga that he called Intregral Yoga is Swami Satchitananda. He was a direct disciple of Swami Sivananda. He had nothing to do with Aurobindo or Rajneesh.

Childofdevi

Anil wrote : I feel Aurobindo is too theoretical- maybe this is the reason for his being not too popular. I do not understand on what basis you have concluded that his teachings were theoretical and thus were not popular.

Aurobindo was a great genious as you are well aware. His true inspiriation came from the prolonged practice of pranayama(at one point he used to practice non-stop for 8 hours the technique he had learned from Lele).

As much as I have been looking for specific techniques(on pranayama) that Aurobindo may have used, this seems non-existant except for brief statements.

When I call practical is this- do A B C.. and the result will be X Y Z. Perhaps the amount of work that an individual(this is where most people back off) may have to do could vary but the results are guaranteed to a mathematical precision. This is yoga- scientific, methodical and repeatable.

I have read portions of Aurobindo's works- I must say I was really impressed with his writings; he is a greatly prolific writer and it is easy to be swamped by the sheer volume. I cannot recall of simple instructions for practice anywhere. It is one thing to give a 10- volume manual on a methodology, it is another thing to give a 5 page instruction manual for practice. It is likely that in the I may have missed out on valuable insights. Could you give me a 1-page description of the practice of Integral Yoga(I am still somewhat clueless as to what it is, though it was very nice reading)??

Anil

I am glad to have discussion with you regarding great seer Sri Aurobindo. Let me share few points I have learnt about Sri Aurobindo. Hope other learnt aspirants join for better insight. Aurobindo was a great genious as you are well aware. His true inspiriation came from the prolonged practice of pranayama(at one point he used to practice non-stop for 8 hours the technique he had learned from Lele).

Sri Aurobindo started his yoga by himself without a Guru, getting the rule from a friend, a disciple of Brahmananda of Ganga Math, it was confined at first to assiduous practice of pranayama (at one time for 6 hours or more a day). This event took place during 1904. He met a Maharashtrian yogi, Vishu Bhaskar Lele and experienced the silent Brahman in the year 1908. From the instructions of Lele in three days he controlled his mind. After this radical changes have occurred in his life. He experienced Narayana in Alipore jail.

Childofdevi wrote :I cannot recall of simple intructions for practice anywhere. It is one thing to give a 10-volume manual on a methodology, it is another thing to give a 5 page instruction manual for practice. It is likely that in the I may have missed out on valuable insights. Could you give me a 1-page description of the practice of Integral Yoga(I am still somewhat clueless as to what it is, though it was very nice reading)??

Letters on Yoga, The Mother, Synthesis of Yoga detail with his principal work. Following are the central secretes of his sadhana, self sufficient to take the aspirant to higher spiritual realms In his own words about Integral Yoga, By remaining psychically open to the Mother, all that is necessary for work or Sadhana develops progressively, that is one of the chief secrets, the central secret of the Sadhana. [13-2-1933]

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But it is not by upadesha that this Sadhana is given or carried on. It is only those who are capable by aspiration and meditation on the Mother to open and receive her action and working within that can succeed in this Yoga. [21-6-1937]



If one can learn to open to the Mother by aspiration and contemplate on Her it is sure to experience greater transformation.

Brianna Mosteller

Forgive me, I'm new to Sri Aurobindo. He was trying to (or did ?) achieve physical immortality? I am trying to understand the appeal of this. I actually just had lunch today with a friend who has signed up to be cryogenically (not sure about spelling) frozen, and reanimated later. The contract he signed said that they will unfreeze and "reanimate" him once they have to technology to reverse the aging process!

So I was hearing this and banging my head against the table, lol, and wondering what could be so attractive about physical immortality? Why would anyone want to stay here on the physical plane? The maya around here is so thick we can't see our way home! We have to cry and demand God to come and get us! As least us bhaktas do....

So my question is this, and it's a big one; After the physical body dies, if the soul knows the body will be "reanimated" later, what can it do? Surely it cannot reincarnate? Does it hang around the body waiting to see what happens? This sounds awful to me. I want to go home to Her. If I need to come back, I'll keep comin' until I have business elsewhere ;) but this freezing and reviving the body after death, is it messing with the plan? Is it the plan? What happens to the soul? If we could have physical immortality, would the desire for it make the possibility of moksha obsolete? I'm confused....

kesava prasaad

Please refer this link-Immortality



Childofdevi

Actually Aurobindo's immortality is not just to make the body last for ever. It is a specific technique called the light-body meditation, whereby the body gradually disintegrates and is substituted with a body of light(there is another great adept who was nearly successful at this- Ramalinga of Vadavalur). When this tranformation is complete, one exits from this world or can stay here at conscious will. The term "physical immortality" is a misnomer in that sense.

Brianna Mosteller

It seems there are those ("immortalists") who devote their whole lives trying to find a way to "live forever," in this body, with this mind. It seems to me such an attitude of vanity and fear, and to support the immortalist's theories, I have to deny everything I believe about God, or at least put it in the hypothetical context of an atheist!

I realize this is a very metaphysical question, with lots of implications and possibile outcomes, but I wonder what is the Shakta take on it? Is there a vedic explanation? A tantric? Is it "wrong?" Is it "good?"

omprem

Excellent post. You said, "It seems there are those ("immortalists") who devote their whole lives trying to find a way to "live forever," in this body, with this mind. It seems to me such an attitude of vanity and fear, and to support the immortalist's theories, I have to deny everything I believe about God, or at least put it in the hypothetical context of an atheist!"

Yes, vanity, fear and Godlessness are the hallmarks of those who seek to live forever.

Here is what Swami Sivananda has to say about death:

"Man is afraid of death. Man does not want ot die. He wants to live forever.

"You cannot die, because you were never born. You are immortal Atman. Birth and death are two false scenes in the unreal drama of Maya. They concern the physical sheath only, a false product formed by the combination of the five elements.

"Death is a door opening from one aspect of life to another. Death is cessation o bodiy or physical activity, of physical and organic function, of physical consciousness. Death is a transition from one state of being to another, a change of the form of consciousness to another plane, astral or mental.

"Death does not end your personality and self-consciousness. It merely opens the door to a higher form of life. Death is the gateway to a fuller life.

"Death is not the extinction of personality. It is merely the cessation of an important individuality. It is only a change of form. Life flows on to achieve its conquest of the universla, life flows on till it merges in the Eternal.

"Death is not the end of life. It is an aspect of life. It is a natural incident in the course of life. It is necessary for your evolution.

"Death is painful to worldly man. A Yogi or a sage, or even a real aspirant, has no fear of death. A desireless man never weeps when he dies. A full-blown Jnani never dies. His Prana never departs.

"Your highest duty is to prepare for a peaceful life hereafter. Conquer the fear of death. Conquest of the fear of death, conquest of death, is the highest utility of all spiritual Sadhana. The one aim of all Yoga sadhana is to meet death fearlessly and joyfully.

Subhashish Das

Let us pray Mother to shower her grace on us for transformation to lead a divine life.

Greetings to All,

The prayer is:

Om Sri Aurobindo Mira Open my mind, my heart, my life To your love, to your light, to your power In all things may I see the Divine!

Om Namo Bagavate Sri Aurobindaya!

Subhashish Das

"Your highest duty is to prepare for a peaceful life hereafter. Conquer the fear of death. Conquest of the fear of death, conquest of death, is the highest utility of all spiritual Sadhana. The one aim of all Yoga sadhana is to meet death fearlessly and joyfully.

Pls. Note: Transcending death is desirable. Transmuting death admirable.

ARUT PERUM JOTHI AND DEATHLESS BODY (A comparative study of Swami Ramalingam with Sri Aurobindo and the Mother and Tirumoolar)

When this tranformation is complete, one exits from this world or can stay here at conscious will. The term "physical immortality" is a misnomer in that sense.

See this URL for more references:

http://www.inthelight.co.nz/spirit/gurus/babaj001.htm

http://www.timelessindia.us/chapter24.htm

http://www.timelessindia.us/vol1c.htm

http://www.hinduonnet.com/2001/02/02/stories/1302136a.htm

Kesava Prasaad

Namaskar,

In Gorakhbodh also there is a reference to Light Body meditation . But Unlike sri Ramaligam, In sri Aurobindos case we have his body, so his death may be due to natural reasons, I would like to know wether sri Aurobindo told anybody about his exit before his death?

Subhashish Das

Unlike sri Ramaligam, In sri Aurobindos case we have his body, so his death may be due to natural reasons, I would like to know wether sri Aurobindo told anybody about his exit before his death?

Namaskar,

Of course yes, he made it plain to the Mother & disciples his purpose of leaving his physical sheath. He knew that he has to work for the supramental transformation from the subtle physical level first. He did not choose to become physically transformed into a supramental light body (fully conscious) that would have blocked the transformation of the gross material on Earth. for the same reason, I suppose the Mother departed for the greater mission of supramentalisation of the Earth and may be for the Cosmos too!

There's a comparative study publication in two volumes printed by the university of Madras on Swami Ramalingam, Sri Aurobindo & the Mother (>> the book also refers about a sage (Southern) from the 11th century, who partially achieved supramental realization. This book may not be in print now, but copies may be available in the library. I've the 2 vols. It is a superb research work.)

Swami Anand Nisarg

So the options are that either a)both Aurobindo and the Mother "chose" to "leave their physical sheaths" for the benefit of "Earth and the Cosmos" in a way that just by sheer coincidence happened to look just like anyone else's death or
b) they just died. Like everyone dies.

Kesava Prasaad

so Sri is not between us, and his work is for the transformation of whole mankind, not(only) for his desciples.anyway is is not around, even if he is-,He is busy working on the plan.

Actually I was looking for answer by long term practitioners of Integral yoga and to know howfar they have progressed on the "Sunlit Path" I wanted to share my own experiences with them. anyway I am glad that lot of work is being done atleast on the theoritical part of Aurobindos work. he has written so much that any academicians would would choose it as a target of their reserch works But these studies are just comparative and lacking in depth. more over they appeals to our head where as mysticism belong to heart.

For anybody who would like to proceed in the Path of Sri Aurobindo, He gave this mantra-

"Om Anandamaye,Chitanyamaye,Satyamaye Parame"

And his Savitri is like mantras. its composition is so as to create similiar vibration as the mantras.

tangchikhay

I have a question for those who are more familiar with sri aurobindo's work .. it is said that immortality will mean the body disintegrating slowly and existing in a different plane.. sort or like sound waves.. so how does that qualify having "physical " immortality for the practicioner or sri aurobindi himself?

secondly, if the goal is to achieve union with God, then isn't the age old method of bhakti services to God and dedicating one's life to the way of dharma be sufficient enough? Did Shr Aurobindo confirm or negate the traditional way?



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