I keep hearing it is the Kali Yuga. Now here's this that says we are in a different Yuga. Can somebody please explain this to me?
During "these troubled political times"
Yes, as opposed usual unbroken vast time spans of global peace and understanding. Okay I'm being sarcastic. Read the ancient Vedic texts and the descriptions of warfare on a scale we can not even imagine. The descriptions of aviation, nuclear warfare and even directed energy weapons are uncanny. This world goes through a long duration ~24,000 year cycle of slow upward spiritual evolution followed by a decline back into ignorance.
The bottom of the last cycle was approximately 500AD. Since that time the world has been advancing and we are now about 300 years into the Dwapara Yuga [a 2400 year period of developments in electrical and atomic energy]. The desire for global peace is in part a dim memory of the "higher ages" the Treta and Satya yugas [corresponding the Greek idea of silver and golden ages]. The present age we are in will last another 2100 years during which enormous advancements in technology will occur. However in ALL ages the possibility of warfare is present. Everything is dualistic. The only real freedom from these troubled times is a balanced life of meditation and right activity. In time the theme of the world will become more and more self control and self improvement. When that occurs the human race will, to a large extent, throw off the shackles of war, ignorance and poverty. However even that will still be part of a greater cycle. So long as we place our hopes in the politicians and world leaders we are going to be consistently disappointed. It is good to act rightly in the world is certainly needed. But an inner renunciation from the dualistic contrasts of this earth is the foundation, the starting point, toward our real purpose here. No matter how many times we allow our expectations for happiness to rest upon the outcome of some political event we will always find disappointment. I am not suggesting a negative or passive state of renunciation, I advocate finding the real joy within and then carrying that into our worldly duties. Whatever else I have read in these email exchanges, I have read very little indication of true happiness and peace.
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It seems the guy is totally wrong!
I've have never once read anywhere in scriptures or in scholarly works by such esteemed people as Danielou, Mukherji, Klostermayer etc. and all have always sadi that we are currently in the Kali Yuga.
I even believe most people say it began aroun 3000 BC!
Kali the Dark and Beautiful. As Lao Tzu said, "Hold to the darkness and the light." People think that the materialistic aeon is somehow negative and base, but in fact the greatest creative strides grow from the gleaming chaos of abstraction for its own sake. Such 'darkness' can develop such things as drugs which will produce permanent euphoric bliss by stimulating MU1 brain stem receptor cells perhaps. Moreover, consciousness itself may be identified as a Unified Field with infinite potential which can produce abundance for everyone with no suffering. People think Kali Yuga is a time of strife and suffering and loss. And yet, according to best estimates, such as those of Sri Yukteshwar, Kali Yuga started when Krishna was shot in the toe at the end of the Bhagavad Gita. Therefore around 2,500 years back. And moreover Kali Yuga will develop over the next 250,000 years or so. So either get with it or fade away.
Cathie wrote : I keep hearing it is the Kali Yuga. Now here's this that says we are in a different Yuga. Can somebody please explain this to me?
This is exactly what Yiuketshwar giri said in "holy science".
How is it that so many say we are in Kali Yuga, and one man says we are in another Yuga? Are we in Both Yugas at once? What is the source of this disagreement? How can so many people be wrong? Do you agree with Yiuketshwar giri? How does he arrive at the conclusion we are in a totally different Yuga than what most are saying ?
The standard calculation (and the state of the world in general) tend to suggest that we are still firmly lodged in the Kali Yuga (meaning simply Iron Age, and not Goddess Kali's Age as some tend to assume).
*** How is it that so many say we are in Kali Yuga, and one man says we are in another Yuga? ***
Because there is room for intelligent disagreement. I have, in fact, had it most convincingly explained to me that we are now transitioning out of the Kali Yuga -- that perhaps all of the Bin Ladens and Bushes and whatnot are merely the last, dreadful death-rattle of those dark and ignorant times.
*** Are we in Both Yugas at once? ***
No more than we are in the 18th and 21st centuries at once. But again the matter of classification arises. Some say we are in the Information Age. Others that we are in the Space Age. Vonnegut argues that we are still in the Dark Ages. All of these assertions are logically supportable.
*** What is the source of this disagreement? ***
*** How can so many people be wrong? ***
How did WWI happen? Why did India and Pakistan split? How did the Holocaust happen in Europe? Why did the Killing Fields happen in Cambodia? Why did the former Yugoslavia crumble into bloody civil war? Why do rival African cheiftains fight one another by hacking childrens' limbs off with machetes? How did Bush get re-elected? Again ... human nature.
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi always said that at times in Kali yuga a doorway can be opened right back into Dwapara yuga if enough people are living in tune with the Sanatan Dharma, and that the field of all possibilities is within humankind's grasp with the practice of TM and Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. But since it hasn't yet happened we can guess that it's either a blip in the heart failure machine of the Iconic Man of Destiny, or the 1,000 years of peace is biding its time. Moreover, since each Yuga is typified by the state of consciousness, therefore if one is in the state of consciousness of that Yuga then you are in that Yuga. I loved the school motto of MIU that said, "Knowledge is Structured in Consciousness." "The world is as we are," - another Maharshism. Some say that a certain state of awareness has died, such as that of tribal shamans, but yet people are still staking out new ground with the old techniques, such as those that go do ayahuasca in the jungle. Not many make the breakthrough with it. It chooses the few. And there are few Castanedas, and Crowleys, and Satyanandas, and so on. Those who seek shall find, those who knock on the door, it shall be opened (into a different yuga). The Yuga of You.
From the Jyotish (science of light--Vedic astrology, astronomy, aryuvedic sciences, etc.) each age consists of approximately 25,000 years, the time it takes for a complete go round of earth pole shifts (which happens approximately every 2,500 years) around the constellations. A yuga is made up of several of these ages the time depending on which age is being spoken of. Within each yuga there are smaller cycles of ascension and descension through each of the 'ages' (golden, silver, etc.) Therefore, from this perspective, it is quite possible to still be in the Kali yuga while experiencing elements from the golden, silver, etc. it is just not the fullness of the yuga since the overall tone of the primary yuga overlays any 'minor' age. Hope this is helpful. Peace, Liaya
The shastras would have it that we have just entered Kali yuga but honestly I am not inclined to accept this as I feel things have definitely improved in the 21st century and so feel that Sri Yukteswar is correct in his interpretation of yugas.
But then again there is a stunningly accurate description of Kali yuga in the Bhagavata Purana (which was written at least 1000 years ago) and this unfortunately applies only to the 20-21st century. So go figure!!
Namaste, Kali Yuga refers to the "Dark Time", and also to the "Now Time", this present "Moment in Time". And humans have always looked back to past ages when everything was comparatively "golden". The exact timings of the various Yugas is a matter of speculation. It must be accepted that this present time is certainly now, but whether to consider it dark or final depends on perspective.
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VEDIC CONCEPTION OF TIME
The vedic conception of time is clearly laid out in various places, including the Vishnu Smriti (page 77), the Bhagavad Gita (at the be- ginning of chapter 4), etc. You will be pleased to see that all time is measured in relation to the ultimate lifespan of the Divine Mother, Shakti Herself. Here is a summary that is fascinating:
Quoting Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, from the book _On The Bhagavad-Gita - A New Translation and Commentary_, pgs. 253-254 (softcover):
"Time is a conception to measure eternity. Vedic historians base their conception of time on eternal Being; for them eternity is the basic field of time.
"To arrive at some conception of the eternal, the best measure will be the life-span of something that has the greatest longevity in the relative field of creation. This, according to the enlightened vision of Vyasa, is the Divine Mother, the Universal Mother, who is ultimately responsible for all that is, was and will be in the entire cosmos.
"The eternity of the eternal life of absolute Being is conceived in terms of innumerable lives of the Divine Mother, a single one of whose lives encompasses a thousand life-spans of Lord Shiva. One life of Lord Shiva covers the time of a thousand life-spans of Lord Vishnu. One life of Lord Vishnu equals the duration of a thousand life-spans of Brahma, the Creator.
A single life-span of Brahma is conceived in terms of one hundred years of Brahma; each year of Brahma comprises 12 months of Brahma, and each month comprises thirty days of Brahma. One day of Brahma is called a Kalpa. One Kalpa is equal to the time of fourteen Manus.
The time of one Manu is called a Manvantara. One Manvantara equals seventy-one Chaturyugis. One Chaturyugi comprises the total span of four Yugas, i.e. Sat-yuga, Treta-yuga, Dvapara-yuga and Kali-yuga. The span of the Yugas is conceived in terms of the duration of Sat-yuga. Thus the span of Treta-yuga is equal to three quarters of that of Sat-yuga; the span of Dvapara-yuga is half that of Sat-yuga; and the span of Kali-yuga one quarter that of Sat-yuga. The span of Kali-yuga equals 432,000 years of man's life."
I've summarized this commentary in chart form:
Kali-yuga = 1/4 of Sat-yuga 432,000 years (4.32 x 10 to the 5th power) We are about 5000 years into this Yuga. Lord Buddha appeared about 3000 years ago. Shankara revived the knowledge about 500 years later.
Dvapara-yuga = 1/2 of Sat-yuga, 2 times Kali-yuga 864,000 years (8.64 x 10 to the 5th power) Said to have ended when Lord Krishna left after the time of the Mahabharata (Bhagavad Gita)
Treta-yuga = 3/4 of Sat-yuga, 3 times Kali-yuga 1,296,000 years (1.3 x 10 to the 6th power) The time during which Rama ruled at Ayodhya (Ramayana)
Sat-yuga = 4 times Kali-yuga, also called Solar Yuga or Golden Age 1,728,000 years (1.7 x 10 to the 6th power) Vaivasvat Manu's son, Ikshvaku, ruled at Ayodhya during the 1st Solar dynasty
Chaturyugi = sum (1 cycle) of the 4 yugas 4,320,000 years (4.3 x 10 to the 6th power) We are in Kali-yuga, the last 10% of the current Chaturyugi or cycle. Then Sat-yuga returns.
Manvantara = 71 Chaturyugis, the time of 1 Manu 306,720,000 years (3.1 x 10 to the eight power) Thus, there are 71 cycles of the 4 Yugas under each Manu. The 7th Manu of this Kalpa, Vaivasvat Manu, is said to be the progenitor of the present human race. So we are near half-way thru this Day of Brahma, with a few billion years to go before the next dissolution (Night of Brahma). The year 2004 is, according to the Vedic Calendar, 1,955,885,105.
1 Day of = 14 Manus, also called a Kalpa Brahma 4,294,080,000 years (4.3 x 10 to the 9th power) or 4.3 billion years. This is the approximate age of our universe according to astronomy? When Brahma goes to sleep at night, the universe dissolves and is recreated when he wakes. Thus no physical evidence of the cycles of time can go back further than this.
1 Month of = 30 days of Brahma Brahma 128,822,400,000 years (1.3 x 10 to the 11th power) or 128 billion years
1 Year of = 12 months of Brahma Brahma 1,545,868,800,000 years (1.5 x 10 to the 12th power) or 1.5 trillion years
1 Life of = 100 years of Brahma Brahma 154,586,880,000,000 years (1.5 x 10 to the 14th power) or 155 trillion years
1 Life of = 1000 lives of Brahma Lord Vishnu 154,586,880,000,000,000 years (1.5 x 10 to the 17th power) or 155,000 trillion years
1 Life of = 1000 lives of Lord Vishnu Lord Shiva 154,586,880,000,000,000,000 years (1.5 x 10 to the 20th power) or 155 million trillion years
1 Life of = 1000 lives of Lord Shiva Mother Divine 154,586,880,000,000,000,000,000 years (1.5 x 10 to the 23rd power) or 155 billion trillion years
Eternal life = innumerable lives of Mother Divine (Shakti) of Absolute ? (many, infinite, unfathomable) Being UNCOUNTABLE REPETITIONS of the 155 BILLION-TRILLION YEAR CYCLE!!!
I hope this knowledge is of some service. Reading it can have both a humbling and a very expansive effect on the relative intellect.