Healing [ 1 ]
Nora

Thank you Eric for your statement. I like to shift this discussion to another of which I feel is more applicable to our Sadhana.Your remark caught my attention "When I deal with the street kids in the US so full of hate and violence, it makes me sad. Genetics or environments are what is said is the cause. But are they not born with souls or spirits, too? The point or edge of morality rest with the individual and in the moment."

I deal with children too (from broken homes, majority neglect and several abusive background) and I often heard this statement from Public: When the "roots" are bad, definitely the outcome too is bad no matter how hard we try to help them. I tend to disagree with this statement. Are we not generalizing? I am interested to know does parents pass down their "violent" or "abusive" genes to the children? I really like to look more in to this genetic issue. Aren't such statement shows that even before they are willing to help these children, they have already form an opinion. An unfavorable opinion and could easily give up in trying to help these children altogether. These are the pain and the wounds I am referring in my previous post about healing. [ See Healing Part 2 ]

Some children because they are brought up in such a violent environment, they develop this survival instincts. And they tend to survive better in any future violent environment. You try to introduce peace, they "die". Can we reverse this outcome? If yes how? I know many try to seek spiritual guidance with the hope to heal this "wounds". But will they succeed?

As a nurse, performing wound dressings is one of my areas of interest. I enjoy and to certain extent find it sometime an obsession. The nastier the wound, the more I love it. Maggots are at one time my best friends. To me it's like a challenge. I know that I can't just apply the necessary lotion and cover the wounds. I need to explore deeper into the wound. To make sure that there are no foreign objects. No dead tissues. And if there is I need to remove/cut those dead tissues. Then we access the viability of the wound. The flesh surrounding the wound. Are they still viable or appear infected etc. All these are done even before we decided to any suturing.

I am trying to apply this too in my dealing with children who have undergone trauma. I really like to learn more as how does you handle some of the cases that you have come across.

Rekha
Nora, you are so right when you say you want to heal the cause of the wound. The external wound is the manifestation of something deeper within the being....something which has caused so much trauma that it had to manifest in the physical body.Healing has to start at the mental and emotional level and progress to the physical. I find that this helps heals wounds faster. I am a Reiki andSpiritual Healer, and do practise healing regularly

Nora
"I am a Reiki and Spiritual Healer, and do practise healing regularly, so empathise with you and applaud you for what you are doing!"

Why don't you share with us more about Spiritual Healing.Spiritual healing I believe is like emotional pain; they are not easy to handle. Physical pain you can point at the root cause of the pain. Remove the cause and the pain is gone. Emotional/psychological pain you have to go deeper and sometimes they can confuse you altogether.

Rekha
You said-"Spiritual healing I believe is like emotional pain; they are not easy to handle. Physical pain you can point at the root cause of the pain. Remove the cause and the pain is gone. Emotional/psychological pain you have to go deeper and sometimes they can confuse you altogether."

What I was trying to say is that any imbalance in the body is linked with emotional and mental states. I do believe that the body and mind are linked and united, and our bodies reflect the state of mind and vice-versa.The complete unity of body and mind is reflected in our own state of wellness and illness.E.g. Illness or accidents often come at times of great change, such as movinghome, getting a different job, etc. Problems in different parts of the body also reflect what is happening in our lives.

I will give you one example-
The legs represent moving our energy outwards into the world and also represent the direction we are taking, and the emotion involved. Weak legs show a lack of energy, lack of groundedness, and an inability to 'stand on our own'. Tension in the leg muscles mean a holding on due to fear of falling or being'let down' if we relax and 'let go'. The knees represent the ability to bend, to be giving and to be spontaneous and flexible. Stiffness here shows a rigidity of thought and stubbornness.
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So, when you remove the cause of emotional pain, the physical pain also goes.

By 'Spiritual healing' I mean using mantras for healing. I do the healing for the physical body as well as the mental and emotional bodies. It has been very effective. I would like to offer my help to my fellow sadhakas. If anyone needs healing, they can contact me directly at my email address- rk_light@yahoo.com

Nora
You said "that any imbalance in the body is linked with emotional and mental states. I do believe that the body and mind are linked and united, and our bodies reflect the state of mind and vice-versa"

Well I do agree with you on this. No dispute. Everything in our body is about maintaining the balance. And within our body there is the build in mechanism which serve to maintain this function. Imbalances happen when one or many of these mechanism fails or is disease.

This is where the Modern Medicine and the Traditional Medicine differs. Modern Medicine tends to look on the physical aspect, whereas the Traditional Medicine goes beyond, and looking at the person as a whole or they called it "holistic approach".

There have been a shift in the attitude of the people in general. Traditional Medicine are gaining popularity and in some instances hospitals merge Modern with Traditional Medicine.

Is there any difference in Mantra Healing and Cakra Healing?

Rekha
'Mantra healing' is using certain mantras along with certain practices to heal the chakras as well as other parts of the body-mind.Hope that clarifies...I agree with what you have written re: the body-mind. Only a holistic approach can help cure/ alleviate suffering and 'dis'- ease.

Eric Otto
Your remark caught my attention "When I deal with the street kids in the US so full of hate and violence, it makes me sad. Genetics or environments are what is said is the cause. But are they not born with souls or spirits, too? The point or edge of morality rest with the individual and in the moment."
I deal with children too (from broken homes, majority neglect and several abusive background) and I often heard this statement from Public: When the "roots" are bad, definitely the outcome too is bad no matter how hard we try to help them. I tend to disagree with this statement. Are we not generalizing? I am interested to know does parents pass down their "violent" or "abusive" genes to the children?

There are so many things to discuss here. First, we are generalizing here because probably for a group there might not be a lot that can be done but on person to person basis it is a different thing. Each person is different. I meet persons who are from really terrible backgrounds and conditions who are genuinely good people. Also, just the reverse. All the conditions were right but the people come out full of anger or hate.

My sister has been a school teacher in an inner city school. The mix is greater African American (Black) than whites. The situations where the children live and family backgrounds are bad, etc., but she manages to get them to learn to read and write to a point that she tells me of this one or that one who is in college or going to be a doctor or lawyer. I'll ask her what changed and it might be a little thing such as pointing out how smart they are and they don't need to spend their lives standing on the street courners. She usually give them the classics to read and once on that path they go onto greater things. She is very dedicated to a very difficult task and quick to find that one opening that will make the change.

There has been a lot written about kids who manage to make it out of a bad situation. A psychologist friend pointed out that there is something to such children in their disposition and temperment even as babies. Some seem to have come into the world with built in skills for handling life. There might be one person like my sister who tells them that they are worth something despite what others or the world seems to be saying about them. That one little flower blooms and it changes them.

From a personal experience, there a woman in my teens who hugged and told me that I mattered. She told me that I needed to be caring of myself and that there were other people who cared about me and what I did with my life. That is where myself hate started to change though it is has been a long journey to get to a place where I like myself and the world with equal favor - and where I don't feel the need to make less of someone else to be somehow greater.

It is those little moments and things that might make the difference in the life of another to change and you might not know what they are or how important they are.

"I really like to look more in to this genetic issue"
The problem is that we know so little about genetics really. The sociologist, psychologist and biologist all have their explanation as to say people why people are gay. The various religions have their reasons for it. For example, the biologist will say it from hormones or a gene. The psychologist will say it maybe from a mother who was too loving or not loving enough to her children. Religious people will say it is an issue of sin or karma. None of this we can say for certain. When I ask my gay friends they tell me that they like being with same sex partners. What we know is that there are some people what are gay and some people who are straight.

I'm a redhead and I do know that in my younger days that I carried quite a temper. Redheads are known for that. It took a lot of work and trying one thing then another to get to a point where I can stay pretty calm through most conversations. Who I was 20 years ago is not exactly the same person that is here now. I've met some redheads without tempers.

Aren't such statement shows that even before they are willing to help these children, they have already form an opinion. An unfavorable opinion and could easily give up in trying to help these children altogether. These are the pain and the wounds I am referring in my previous post about healing.
Some children because they are brought up in such a violent environment, they develop this survival instincts. And they tend to survive better in any future violent environment. You try to introduce peace, they "die". Can we reverse this outcome? Ifyes how? I know many try to seek spiritual guidance with the hope to heal this "wounds". But will they succeed?


I think external opinions do create hindrances towards people finding their true selves. We have all kinds of cultures and views that really want us to turn off our creative spark and Individuality that the Creator by any name has given us. As I was reading the Vedas, individual people with their own quarks and personalities seems to be a good thing. You see Khrishna addressing them respectfully and lovingly. You see the same with Yaweh to the prophet Samuel in the Old Testiment and Jesus with Peter and Zachius the tax collector. The North American Indian stories, you see the same thing. But the external culture wishes us to be something different than who we are. That somehow we have to meet these or that set of standard before we can be loved or accepted. In a J. Khrishnamurti retort, why do we do that?

There is a book written my a New York City teacher named John Gatto called DUMMING US DOWN. While in certain ways he wants to throw the baby out with the bath water, there is certain truths that he found there that seems to ring true in a number of "culture" sphere and that is the strange aspect of public schools to teach children to conform and never to trust their inner direction and guidence. The longer they are involved with the school system, he found, the greater the difficulty they have in being self aware. Instead of making themselve more of who they are and freer, it makes them less. On top of that you have all kinds of rewards to make the child feel less acceptable by the culture in general if they don't fit that particular mold or belief system. The ladder is always being raised.

You think you got the answer and there are a whole set of other answers. I think that a big part of the wounding we see in the people around us comes from that belief that there is a better something out there that I ought to be and if I don't fit it, I should hate myself. How many sparks have been put out by that thinking?

We hear that same chatter in spiritual things, do we not? You need to follow that teacher, meditation, posture to find Brahman when as the Zenist would say Brahman is here and now. It is a difficult thing to follow one's own truth.

As a nurse, performing wound dressings is one of my areas of interest. I enjoy and to certain extent find it sometime an obsession. The nastier the wound, the more I love it. Maggots are at one time my best friends. To me it's like a challenge. I know that I can't just apply the necessary lotion and cover the wounds. I need to explore deeper into the wound. To make sure that there are no foreign objects. No dead tissues. And if there is I need to remove/cut those dead tissues. Then we access the viability of the wound. The flesh surrounding the wound. Are they still viable or appear infected etc. All these are done even before we decided to any suturing.

I had a nurse friend who told me the same thing about her obsession with healing of wounds. She was a othopedic surgical nurse in a big hospital in Cincinnati, Ohio. Deep bone infections were her specialty. They didn't use maggot but a lot of irrigation to clean out the wounds. But I have a story for you below your next comment.

I am trying to apply this too in my dealing with children who have undergone trauma. I really like to learn more as how does you handle some of the cases that you have come across. I went to a hypnotist once after dealing with saddness of the end of a relationship with my lover. This went on for a couple years over her and finally I said enough. So the hypnotist caught the word "wound" and asked my to describe if I had a physical wound how would I treat it. With the exception of the maggots, it was pretty much how you described it.

So indirectly in the hypnotic session he refered to my description and how it would heal eventually and then the scare would form and then be gone as if it never happened. About three day later the saddness and grief over this woman was gone. Just like that.

So I would say that what you are talking about is not just a metaphore but possibly what is the truth about the soul and spirit. Next, I would say (and I'm not all knowing) but follow your spirit and find out what it is saying about wounds in the physical sense as well as the mental, the soul, and spiritual levels. That might be the images to use in your healing practices. It may not be what the world or the greatest gurus say, but it is your truth. If is works person to person, so be it.

Chumki
I for one would also like to know about spiritual healing.As Nora points out that physical pain,once the root of the problem is found the problem can be taken care of.But emotional and psycological scarring is difficult to deal with and the pain may never go away.

Nora
Chumki remarked : "But emotional and psycological scarring is difficult to deal with and the pain may never go away"

I tends to disagree with this statement. I personally believe that emotional pain can go away. Once you have identified the root cause of the "pain" and learn to deal with it, I believe it can be heal. Have you ever heard of emotional intelligence.

Like the wound, the scars are there, even after many years and at times it does have slight pain when you try to stretch yourself, but somehow there is always the way of removing this pain. When somebody comes to me with such a problem. I access the situation. Questions like : how is the pain like. How severe is the pain. When does the pain occur. What is your activity at that time when the pain occurs. And a whole list of questions. Not to bother you with it, but to get a better understanding about pain.

But again accessing physical pain and emotional pain is totally different approach. Sometimes we do get mislead between physical pain and emotional pain. Often terminally ill patients when they complained of pain, we immediately concluded that it is physical pain, but when we access them again, we realize that it is actually emotion pain that they are undergoing. And emotional pain, do not need analgesics at all. Spending more time in talking and reassuring, and allowing the person to express their feelings etc somehow works better, from my personal experience.



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